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Name:? Noyes               
Born:about 1434 in England
Died:unknown to us
Son: Thomas Noyes born about 1465
Son: Robert Noyes born about 1467
Daughter: ? Noyes born about 1469
Daughter: ? Noyes born about 1471
Son: William Noyes born about 1473

Either John who farmed the manor of Ramridge 1475-84 or Robert
1493-97. It is not certain which of these two men was the
father of these children, but an analysis of the evidence
indicates that they were siblings. The surname NOYES is rare.
It may have originated in East Anglia at a very early period.
Land held by Walter Noyse was mentioned in a fine concerning
land in 'Scroteby', Norfolk, on 10 May 1209. William and Simon
Noysse were both listed in the Ville of Laxfield, in Hoxne
Hundred, Suffolk, in 1327. There were six Noyse wills proved in
the Court of Archdeacon of Suffolk before 1600: Robert Noyse,
of Fressingfield, 1463; Agnes his widow, of Fressingfield,
1464; William, of Ubbeston, 1469; Robert, of Wingfield, 1471;
William, of Laxfield, 1510; and Robert, of Laxfield, 1510. The
adjoining parishes of Laxfield, Fressingfield, Wingfield, and
Ubbeston lie in the north-central part of the county. The chief
landholder in the region then was the de la Pole family, first
Earls, then Dukes of Suffolk. The land came into their family
through the marriage of Katherine, heiress of Sir John de
Wingfield, to Michael de la Pole, first Earl of Suffolk. The
manor of Ramridge, Hampshire, had also been acquired through
the Wingfield marriage. For this reason it is possible that the
Duke sent one of his Suffolk men to oversee the distant
Hampshire manor, founding the Noyes family in that county.
Ramridge was important as one of the greatest fairs in England
was held partly on its lands. Ramridge was held by the first
Earl of Suffolk at his death in 1391. The Wingfield estates
passed to his eldest son, Michael, who succeeded as Second Earl
(d. Sept. 1415), but, importantly, Ramridge was settled on the
male heirs of his younger brother, Sir Thomas de la Pole. On
Thomas's death (21 Aug. 1420), it passed to his son Thomas, who
died seised of 'Ramrugge' on 27 July 1430. Because he died
without male issue, Ramridge passed to his cousin, William de
la Pole (son of the Second Earl), who was created first Duke of
Suffolk. Thus Ramridge was reunited with the Wingate estates in
1430. The first of the Noyes family in Hampshire may have
arrived as servants of the first Duke of Suffolk at his manor
of Ramridge about 1430-32. The court rolls of the manor of
Ramridge record that Robert Noys was farming the manor
(rendering its accounts) in 1432-33. The Duke and his wife,
Alice Chaucer, granddaughter and heir of the poet, were granted
license to found God's House, better known as Ewelme Hospital,
in 1437, but it was not endowed with the manor of Ramridge
until 1442. It was during this short period between 1430 and
1442 that a Noyse/Noyes from Laxfield or Wingate, Suffolk,
might have ended up on the distant manor of Ramridge, as the
Hospital would have had no Suffolk interests by which to draw a
Noyes from that county to Hampshire. The Noyes family continued
as farmers of the manor of Ramridge for at least two more
centuries. The court rolls are intermittent, so the line of
descent in the earliest generations in Hampshire is not clear.
Robert Noys is recorded as rendering accounts for the manor of
Ramridge in 1432-33. John Noyse was the farmer of Ramrugge on
26 November 1476, 28 November 1477, 1478, 1482/3, and 1484. He
likely died in the next few years, as Robert Noyes was farmer
of Ramrugge in 1493 and 1497. The abstract under date 21 May 1
Henry VIII [1509] states, 'To this court came Thomas Noyse and
took of the lord a cottage called the Saynte with lands and one
acre of meadow ... to hold to the said Thomas and Agnes his
wife and the longer liver of them - to pay heriot on death. And
give as fine 20s. Same paid 19 Henry VIII (1503/4) [sic].' The
entry for 27 September 4 Henry VIII [1512] reads, 'presented
that Thomas No[y]se farmer of this lordship and his
predecessors, time out of mind, had amongst other things a
parcel of land called the 'Stallys' and 'Bothis' lying on the
King's way leading E&W as appears by metes and bounds.' On 16
September 9 Henry VIII [1517] the Master of Ewelme granted
Thomas Noyse the lease of the capital messuage of his manor of
Ramrugge with the lands thereto belonging, courts, etc.,
excepting the advowson of Wee [Weyhill] Church, for a period of
50 years at a rent of £8 6s 8d. Another lease, dated 21 June
10 Henry VIII [1518] granted the same, at the same rate, for a
period of 40 years. Thomas Noyse was farmer of the manor on 6
October 20 Henry VIII [1528] when he made agreements with his
tenants This last Thomas Noyes is certainly Thomas Noyes (b.
say 1488), from whom descent can be traced with certainty.
There are two likely scenarios by which Ramridge might have
descended through the earliest generations of the Hampshire
Noyes family. The first scenario assumes a direct descent
through [1] Robert (b. say 1390), [II] John (b. say 1415),
[III] Robert (b. say 1440), [IV] Thomas of Andover (b. say
1465), to [V] Thomas (b. say 1488). The second scenario takes
into account the possibility that the Robert who farmed
Ramridge from 1493 to 1497 might have been Thaomas's uncle
Robert, who later acquired the lease of the manor of Littleton,
and may have held Ramridge during the minority of his nephew
Thomas as guardian. The earliest [I] Robert (b. say 1390) who
farmed Ramridge in 1432-33 would again be the first generation,
then the second generation would be unknown. [III] John (b. say
1440) who farmed Ramridge from 1475 to 1484 would be next, and
father of both [IV] Thomas (b. say 1465) mentioned in the court
rolls of Andover 1490-1491, and Robert, of Kimpton, who farmed
Ramridge from 1493 to 1497 during the minority of his nephew,
[V] Thomas Noyes (b. say 1488). But as only names and dates
have been gleaned from the manorial records, no specific
relationships are known with certainty until we reach Thomas
Noyes (b. say 1488). It is impossible at this point to
determine which descent is correct.
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